On the flight to Sydney now. Looking forward to the next 2 weeks but realize it’s going to be a constant push outside of my comfort zone. That’s fine, there 14 days are really necessary for improvement. I’m definitely excited to gain some good experience and to have some fun ☺.
Our last night in Bali was pretty worthwhile. Was able to make it up to seduction with a pretty cute HB7, and M closed some girl. The first half of the night was pretty uneventful, with a few sets opened, so I’ll jump right into the FR:
Set A
Actually didn’t have to really open this one. She made eye contact, held and inched her way over. I’m pretty sure I ‘opened’ with “you’re Australian aren’t you,” with her responding, “no American!” Instant commonality there… there are hardly any Americans in Bali.
She asks where I’m from, I make her guess… she guesses Australian (wtf?), but when we establish we’re both from the States it transitions nicely into a conversation of “which part etc…” Normally this would be AFC talk, but given the circumstances, it didn’t’ seem so in this instance.
We’re on the dance floor and I bring up how Aussies dance differently and don’t grind. Start grinding with her… makes things so much easier, the Aussies really dropped the ball when they were learning how to dance. In any case, ask her what she’s doing in Bali – apparently she’s just finished studying abroad and she’s vacationing a bit before heading back home.
M comes by and says he’s leaving but to stay, and HB7s friend goes off to find a friend. Took that as an IOI, so pretty much assumed attraction, which was reinforced by how she was dancing. Don’t remember exactly, but I’m pretty sure I move her to a different part of the dance floor, qualify her with Boring/Crazy.
She’s wearing a hat, I tease her in saying that it looks like a farmer’s hat, take it off to “see if she’s cute,” put it on my head, touch her hair, look into her eyes then close the K. Unlike the set from the previous post, this K close was pretty much cake because we were grinding… the kino from that is a natural buildup in itself.
From there, I try to move her to the lower level of the club, but she has to find her friend. We find her friend, dance with her friend and some guy she’s found for a bit, and then her friend goes off again!
Move onto comfort and start with Truth Questions. From there I transition into the Cube, using one of my questions to ask if she’s ever been “cubed before.” Should not ethat during Truth Questions, she was the one who turned it sexual. My first question was what was one thing she would change about herself (she wanted to be taller), and her first question was asking the most number of girls I’ve hooked up with in one night. Other questions moved on into the craziest place she’s had sex (she said something about her grandparent’s place, but I couldn’t hear), and I pumped a bit more qualification by asking her 3 best qualities. She takes the time to respond with legitimate answers… makes sense, even the toughest qualification questions should close at this point.
Rest of the club interaction is pretty standard… moving her around, dancing (used M’s pick-up move at one point), and when she realizes its 4:10 she says she needs to get going. Btw, her friend has left without her! Talk about the ideal 2-set.
Walk back with her, turns out her place is right next to where we’re staying. I lose it in seduction… We get to her place, kiss for a bit and I ask her if she wants to come up to my place. OOPS! Pretty much knew I was making that mistake… Anyway, she “thinks about it” and then declines. I realize it’s not happening so I just release all the sexual tension with a big makeout session, finger bang her a bit and then close out the night.
Overview
HB7 was good practice and the girl was pretty cute, short with blonde curly hair and light blue/gray eyes. To be honest though, it was pretty much handed over on a silver platter – girl opened me, her “obstacle” ended up being more like a wing, and attraction was pretty much there from the very start.
Some things I could have done better: I think a more diverse range of kino could have been run after the K-close. Also tried the pick-up move for the first time, but it could have lasted longer and been transitioned into a bit better.
Also think I might have kissed too many times while in the venue. All in all, probably less than 20 seconds total in the club (no makeout session), but I should have left it at the K-close and then just towards the end of the night.
Also think I lingered in the club too long. When we were looking for her friend and couldn’t find her, I should have realized that she might have already left. Would have been better if I had pulled her out of the club at that point, instead of sticking around until she decided that she needed to go back.
Definitely messed up seduction too. If I had left early, should have brought up an excuse to bring her up, and then to have just led her instead of asking if she wanted to come up. Maybe could have thrown her in the pool and then asked to come up to get a towel (actually thought about throwing her in the pool, but decided against it since it was so late).
Given that it was so late and that her place was right next to ours, it still wouldn’t have been hard in any case though. It’s alright though, it was fun and I had a good time hanging out with her – Not a bad way to close out Bali and start the gaming session in Australia!
Tuesday, December 22, 2009
Bali (12/16 - Weds)
Been in Bali for about 3 days now. We’ve been going around doing the touristy things for the most part. So far we’ve been parasailing, snorkeling, surfing, getting massages (clean ones!) amongst other things. Though its been a lot of fun, as we sort of expected, hasn’t been the best place to work on game.
Nonetheless, we’ve been making an effort to go out at night to the clubs around the area. There are a ton of Australians and quite a few Swedes here on vacation. I would guess that there are less than 20 American tourists on the entire island compared to the hundreds of other Westerners. In summary, the Australians love our American accents and California, and the Swedes are just fuckin bombshells.
Anyway, had the first legitimate set tonight. A learning experience but also a bit of a frustrating experience as well. Took place at the main club on the island, Bounty and the neighboring club next to it.
Set 1
We had met an Australian dude a couple days before and when we walked into the club, noticed he was part of a mixed set with one pretty cute girl in it, HB7. We re-opened him later in the night and he introduced us to the group, point out the fact that we were American, which they instantly opened up to. Counting, this has been the 3rd time being from California has automatically opened the set.
We’re chatting in the set and one of the obstacles brings over the HB7 and says “speak.” I say… “speak…” and they go “American!” and I’m in. Peer approval and the accent as a DHV from the very start.
The group moves to another area of the club seated at a table and I’m chatting with the HB7. It’s pretty much just banter (i.e. talking about things to do in Australia etc…) and the HB7 gets called over to the neighboring table, where M is seated. I join, but logistically, she ends up on the other side of the table.
From the opposite side of the table, I “notice” that her index finger is longer than her ring and point it out. She goes… “what’s wrong with that?” and I transition into the ring routine, moving over next to her as I come to explain it.
After the ring routine notice instantly the the dynamic of the conversation has changed. Cold reads are crazy…. I’d forgotten the power of a properly planted routine. From there move on to qualifying her using the adventurous/boring and following it up with the cold read that she seems like a bit of both.
She says she wants to move to NY at some point, and I relate and qualify her again asking her what she has to bring to the States, transitioning into what her 3 best qualities are. The question hooks and I get legitimate answers.
By now, she is clearly attracted – her friends have moved and she is still mini-isolated with me and in pretty close proximity. She’s even qualifying herself, asking me if she’s fun or if I think she’s a bitch (rooted from another conversation about her going to an all girls school and everyone being a bitch).
M comes by and tells me to go for the k-close. I DON’T DO IT!!!! Big mistake, this one fucked me. The set moves to the club next door and I’m able to completely isolate her – at this point, compliance is pretty much 100% and I’m able to lead her outside. I still don’t k-close her, and go into comfort using the truth questions game. Questions are good, but missed the K and she gets bored and says “let’s go back and dance.” Boom! Game over…
The rest is history. I try, with the help of M, to re-engage and isolate to just go for the K but it’s staled out – I have officially landed in the LJBF zone. After 2-3 more tries we let the set go and leave.
Overview
I’m actually really fuckin frustrated. It’s one of the first times there’s been a girl that I would have been happy to hook up with – as opposed to just good practice – and I didn’t close when I needed to. Moreover, I knew what I should have been doing but I didn’t be a fuckin man and just gone for it like I should have.
Seems to be the second time this lesson is coming up the hard way: close the K when the window of opportunity arises, otherwise it’ll close and you’ll fall into LBFJ. I’m almost to the point of saying it’s not worth going into the comfort without having closed the K.
On the plus side, I was able to go through the progression model (minus opening), and was able to transition a banter conversation into the emotional model (starting with the finger length routine).
I’M STILL PISSED I DIDN’T GO FOR THE K!!!!!!!!! There was NO excuse. I’ll learn some k-close routines that might give more flexibility, but I’m pretty sure it’s just an inner game issue of just being a fuckin man and expressing sexual intent. I knew what to do, I just needed to fuckin just do it.
My goal by the time I leave Australia on 1/3 is to be able to open consistently and run through the model up until the K can be closed consistently when the opportunity presents itself. Otherwise, I’m letting myself down and wasting my and M’s time.
I need just take a risk… this roots deeper to just game, it’s about being a man.
Routines
Will be using these routines as a base:
Attraction
- Finger length routine
- Eyebrow routine
- You’re probably pretty cool…
Qualification
- Boring/Adventurous -> Bit of both cold read
- 3 best qualities
Comfort
- Strawberry fields
- Truth questions
o Mom, Grandma & Jesus
o Spontaneous
o One thing change about yourself
***Keep push-pull kino and hair touching consistently.
Nonetheless, we’ve been making an effort to go out at night to the clubs around the area. There are a ton of Australians and quite a few Swedes here on vacation. I would guess that there are less than 20 American tourists on the entire island compared to the hundreds of other Westerners. In summary, the Australians love our American accents and California, and the Swedes are just fuckin bombshells.
Anyway, had the first legitimate set tonight. A learning experience but also a bit of a frustrating experience as well. Took place at the main club on the island, Bounty and the neighboring club next to it.
Set 1
We had met an Australian dude a couple days before and when we walked into the club, noticed he was part of a mixed set with one pretty cute girl in it, HB7. We re-opened him later in the night and he introduced us to the group, point out the fact that we were American, which they instantly opened up to. Counting, this has been the 3rd time being from California has automatically opened the set.
We’re chatting in the set and one of the obstacles brings over the HB7 and says “speak.” I say… “speak…” and they go “American!” and I’m in. Peer approval and the accent as a DHV from the very start.
The group moves to another area of the club seated at a table and I’m chatting with the HB7. It’s pretty much just banter (i.e. talking about things to do in Australia etc…) and the HB7 gets called over to the neighboring table, where M is seated. I join, but logistically, she ends up on the other side of the table.
From the opposite side of the table, I “notice” that her index finger is longer than her ring and point it out. She goes… “what’s wrong with that?” and I transition into the ring routine, moving over next to her as I come to explain it.
After the ring routine notice instantly the the dynamic of the conversation has changed. Cold reads are crazy…. I’d forgotten the power of a properly planted routine. From there move on to qualifying her using the adventurous/boring and following it up with the cold read that she seems like a bit of both.
She says she wants to move to NY at some point, and I relate and qualify her again asking her what she has to bring to the States, transitioning into what her 3 best qualities are. The question hooks and I get legitimate answers.
By now, she is clearly attracted – her friends have moved and she is still mini-isolated with me and in pretty close proximity. She’s even qualifying herself, asking me if she’s fun or if I think she’s a bitch (rooted from another conversation about her going to an all girls school and everyone being a bitch).
M comes by and tells me to go for the k-close. I DON’T DO IT!!!! Big mistake, this one fucked me. The set moves to the club next door and I’m able to completely isolate her – at this point, compliance is pretty much 100% and I’m able to lead her outside. I still don’t k-close her, and go into comfort using the truth questions game. Questions are good, but missed the K and she gets bored and says “let’s go back and dance.” Boom! Game over…
The rest is history. I try, with the help of M, to re-engage and isolate to just go for the K but it’s staled out – I have officially landed in the LJBF zone. After 2-3 more tries we let the set go and leave.
Overview
I’m actually really fuckin frustrated. It’s one of the first times there’s been a girl that I would have been happy to hook up with – as opposed to just good practice – and I didn’t close when I needed to. Moreover, I knew what I should have been doing but I didn’t be a fuckin man and just gone for it like I should have.
Seems to be the second time this lesson is coming up the hard way: close the K when the window of opportunity arises, otherwise it’ll close and you’ll fall into LBFJ. I’m almost to the point of saying it’s not worth going into the comfort without having closed the K.
On the plus side, I was able to go through the progression model (minus opening), and was able to transition a banter conversation into the emotional model (starting with the finger length routine).
I’M STILL PISSED I DIDN’T GO FOR THE K!!!!!!!!! There was NO excuse. I’ll learn some k-close routines that might give more flexibility, but I’m pretty sure it’s just an inner game issue of just being a fuckin man and expressing sexual intent. I knew what to do, I just needed to fuckin just do it.
My goal by the time I leave Australia on 1/3 is to be able to open consistently and run through the model up until the K can be closed consistently when the opportunity presents itself. Otherwise, I’m letting myself down and wasting my and M’s time.
I need just take a risk… this roots deeper to just game, it’s about being a man.
Routines
Will be using these routines as a base:
Attraction
- Finger length routine
- Eyebrow routine
- You’re probably pretty cool…
Qualification
- Boring/Adventurous -> Bit of both cold read
- 3 best qualities
Comfort
- Strawberry fields
- Truth questions
o Mom, Grandma & Jesus
o Spontaneous
o One thing change about yourself
***Keep push-pull kino and hair touching consistently.
Hong Kong (12/12 - Sat)
So we spent our last day in Hong Kong yesterday. Day consisted primarily of heading to Monkok in the afternoon. Mongkok is one of the densest metropolitan areas in the world, and is usually what is shown of Hong Kong on most of the travel channels. Imagine packed streets with night markets, street vendors and all kinds of Asian things. M got a kick out of it and I thought it was pretty cool too – definitely a good stop.
When we were waiting for the ferry heading to Mongkok (we were staying on one of the outskirt islands), M points out a mixed set also waiting on a bench and directs me towards it. By the time I get over there, it’s just a 2-set, with a guy and a girl.
Set 1
The girl is pretty cute, HB7. Me and M start conversation next to the set on the bench then I turn over my shoulder and open the guy. He’s wearing a shirt with a “STAFF” printed on the sleeve and I ask him what it’s for. Turns out they’re all elementary school teachers teaching at the Hong Kong international school.
After a few minutes of banter, more of their group comes and it ends up being a relatievely large group ~6-7-set with 4 girls and ~3 guys. M has one of the girls mini-isolated and I’m talking to about ~3-4 others in the group. Conversation goes well and we all head on the ferry.
On the ferry I sit one row up and M is on the row behind wedged between two of the girls, the original HB7 and her HB7.5 friend. He mini-isolates the HB7.5 and I’m chatting with the HB7 and the rest of the group. They actually all turn out to be really fun to talk to and it’s pretty clear they have some kink in them. I can only imagine how much pent out sex drive they’ve got going on.
As we’re getting off the ferry, me and M switch; he walks with the HB7 and I pair up with the HB7.5. Interesting point is that I crack a pretty funny joke coming off the ferry, and you can distinctly see the shift in dynamic of my interaction with the HB7.5 after. Humor really is a strong attraction tool.
In any case, I’m running some kino escalation at this point, though I accidentally skip into building comfort instead of qualification. While I meant to ask “so you’ve lived here for a bit… how has Hong Kong grown you as a person?” I ended up asking “so could you see yourself living here for good? Why?”
We have to part ways once we hit the subway, but they invite us out with them later. We end up doing the Mongkok thing then have to rush back to pack for our early morning flight the next day. As seems to be the trend, didn’t really see many set opportunities since then.
On the plane heading to Bali now, wish us luck!
Overview
I felt the set was positive. I could definitely feel myself getting back into the swing of things during the conversation; the conversation flowed much more easily and I saw myself tossing in teases and building kino again. Another thing I noticed was that I actually felt more of a desire to hook up with the girls this time – not sure if its because they were teachers ;). In any case, this made the interaction a lot more fun. I should keep this “oh the things I would do to you…” mindset going while interacting with future sets.
Another thing is that even with the few sets, opening in the daytime is seeming a lot more natural now and I see less hesitancy in myself about doing it. Then again, we are traveling and are fellow foreigners in foreign countries, so there is automatically some semblance of a connection, or at the very least a conversation point. In any case, there’s improvement nonetheless.
Mindsets
1.) Opening: Keep a positive mindset and think of the potentially opportunity and what the set could be, instead of negative apolocyptic thoughts.
2.) Attraction forward: Keep a sexual mindset and keep thinking about the naughty things you would do to this poor girl.
When we were waiting for the ferry heading to Mongkok (we were staying on one of the outskirt islands), M points out a mixed set also waiting on a bench and directs me towards it. By the time I get over there, it’s just a 2-set, with a guy and a girl.
Set 1
The girl is pretty cute, HB7. Me and M start conversation next to the set on the bench then I turn over my shoulder and open the guy. He’s wearing a shirt with a “STAFF” printed on the sleeve and I ask him what it’s for. Turns out they’re all elementary school teachers teaching at the Hong Kong international school.
After a few minutes of banter, more of their group comes and it ends up being a relatievely large group ~6-7-set with 4 girls and ~3 guys. M has one of the girls mini-isolated and I’m talking to about ~3-4 others in the group. Conversation goes well and we all head on the ferry.
On the ferry I sit one row up and M is on the row behind wedged between two of the girls, the original HB7 and her HB7.5 friend. He mini-isolates the HB7.5 and I’m chatting with the HB7 and the rest of the group. They actually all turn out to be really fun to talk to and it’s pretty clear they have some kink in them. I can only imagine how much pent out sex drive they’ve got going on.
As we’re getting off the ferry, me and M switch; he walks with the HB7 and I pair up with the HB7.5. Interesting point is that I crack a pretty funny joke coming off the ferry, and you can distinctly see the shift in dynamic of my interaction with the HB7.5 after. Humor really is a strong attraction tool.
In any case, I’m running some kino escalation at this point, though I accidentally skip into building comfort instead of qualification. While I meant to ask “so you’ve lived here for a bit… how has Hong Kong grown you as a person?” I ended up asking “so could you see yourself living here for good? Why?”
We have to part ways once we hit the subway, but they invite us out with them later. We end up doing the Mongkok thing then have to rush back to pack for our early morning flight the next day. As seems to be the trend, didn’t really see many set opportunities since then.
On the plane heading to Bali now, wish us luck!
Overview
I felt the set was positive. I could definitely feel myself getting back into the swing of things during the conversation; the conversation flowed much more easily and I saw myself tossing in teases and building kino again. Another thing I noticed was that I actually felt more of a desire to hook up with the girls this time – not sure if its because they were teachers ;). In any case, this made the interaction a lot more fun. I should keep this “oh the things I would do to you…” mindset going while interacting with future sets.
Another thing is that even with the few sets, opening in the daytime is seeming a lot more natural now and I see less hesitancy in myself about doing it. Then again, we are traveling and are fellow foreigners in foreign countries, so there is automatically some semblance of a connection, or at the very least a conversation point. In any case, there’s improvement nonetheless.
Mindsets
1.) Opening: Keep a positive mindset and think of the potentially opportunity and what the set could be, instead of negative apolocyptic thoughts.
2.) Attraction forward: Keep a sexual mindset and keep thinking about the naughty things you would do to this poor girl.
Friday, December 11, 2009
I'm in Hong Kong Bitch! (12/12 - Fri)
Me and M have been in Hong Kong since Wednesday (12/9). We've been staying in hostels and couch surfing, staying in Fortress Hill (hostel) on the first night and on Lamma Island (couchsurfing) since. We've been doing touristy/touring in the day, while trying to go out at night.
So far been out about 2 times, the first to Wan Chai and the second to Lan Kwai Fong.
Wan Chai (Night 1)
So we land at 11pm on Wednesday night and head out of our hostel around 1am. Head to a night spot recommendation, "Wan Chai," which is a few stops over. After walking around and getting some food, M points us into a "club" of which some mid-age lady and two girls in their early 20s are coaxing us in. Interesting... Well, we get in and it is painfully obvious the girls are hooking and the mid-age lady is none other than their madam.
We're just screwing with them and M tries setting a frame calling her a pushy girl (their kino escalation is really aggressive) and she responds with "whhaaaatt?!?" Lesson learned: frames don't work on Filipino hookers who don't understand English :). We get out of the hook house, wander around a bit more, get opened by more hookers, meet a "professional" Aussie cricket player then bail home around 4am.
Nothing special to say the least...
Lan Kwai Fong (Night 2)
Head out the second night to Lan Kwai Fong which ends up being the "actual" night spot of Hong Kong. It consists of a winding street or two, full of bars and such. Hookers are still there, but less so amongst a crowd of primarily younger people, local Chinese, expats and tourists.
To be honest, there were a lot of people and the venues were cool, but there weren't a lot of sets. Wasn't too interested in meeting the local Chinese and there weren't many expats/tourists around. From around 12am - 4am, ended up spending the night with a group of 3 American girls (ironic?) who were studying abroad, as well as an Aussie we'd randomly met (Set 1).
Set 1
We notice a mixed set of 1 guy and 3 American girls (a HB8, HB6 and her sister HB5) -- essentially one cute girl and her two not-so-cute friends.
M opens the girls by dancing into their group with a crazy dance and playing “peek-a-boo” behind the guy in the set. Girls eat it up and are really receptive. He starts chatting up the group, focusing primarily on the HB6 (for good reason), and then I merge myself into the set. The group bounces from the venue and asks us to go with them.
Not wanting to be too clingy, we tell them we’ll meet up with them in a bit knowing they’re not going very far. About 20 minutes later, we “stumble” into them at another lounge and re-open.
M texts in my phone to focus on the cute girl while he’ll juggle the rest of the social situation. He first kept the guy occupied, leaving the girls open for me to talk to. The HB6 is clearly interested in M -- her IOIs are off the chart. Luckily, he realizes one of the Australians we had randomly met was interested in the HB6, and he began merging them together.
From my peripheral hearing, I could hear M introducing DHV stories about the Australian, running the photo routine on them, and going as far as to pump her buying temperature himself before passing her on to him. This served two purposes: 1.) M wouldn’t have to deal with the not-so-cute girl, and 2.) I’d have the opportunity to mini-isolate and work on the HB8.
For my set, I noticed that I came into the set without the strongest body language or sub communication and had trouble building attraction. Having not been able to focus on game for a couple weeks, I noticed definite regression and a slight wondering of “what do I say next.”
Another thing I noticed was that in my most successful sets over the past couple months, I’ve been able to build attraction through sub communication and teasing, leaving it open to jump straight into qualification. This time, it obviously didn’t work and my qualification pings weren’t coming back very well.
I have M take over the HB8 for a demonstration. During a group photo, he picks her up (literally) and spins her around, sending her buying temperature through the roof. I could literally see the confusion/attraction in her face when she was let down. I’ve seen this same kind of look in the various other girls he’s done this move on over the past couple months, and it seems to work like a charm. From there, she was clearly into him.
Over the course of the next 20-30 minutes, I overhear the HB8 trying to get M to put his number into her phone 3 separate times, for which he politely declines. I later ask him why he declined and he explained that he wanted to stay perceived as the selector and that he already had her friends number to set up the day-2. Being abroad students, the girls always traveled in the same group, and there was no purpose to closing the number in this specific situation -- especially if there was such a high chance of seeing them again in the future if we wanted to.
About 1/2 hour later the girls have to leave; the HB6’s sister gets sick and they have to take care of her. At this point, it's around 4am and our night concludes.
M teaches me some of the lifting routines (physically picking up the girl) since, and I’m pretty excited to try them out over the next couple weeks.
Set Counter
I have a running set counter going for the trip. Currently the count is at 5, all of which have been pretty miscellaneous (girls at airport, at restaurants), and nothing too special. This too should shoot up in quality and quantity over the next few weeks.
Focus
The first segment that's going to be focused on in the coming week or so will primarily be opening-attraction. I'll post the material being used and how the progress is going over the next week.
Executive Decision: Hong Kong
Hong Kong overall hasn't been too great for game. Everyone for the most part is Chinese, and it's not the best opportunity to open set after set after set. We're leaving for Bali tomorrow, which will hopefully be better. Definitely not blaming everything on the location though; there was definitely a readjustment period to get into the swing of things.
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